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Heaven and Hell

An evening satsang on the illusory nature of time and the urgency of spiritual practice.

"In reality, there is no time. Who created time? Animals do not count it. We humans made time."

"Use it or lose it. This was my mantra, and so I was practicing. Till now, I am 103 years, I am still like this."

The lecturer leads the discourse, exploring the human construct of time and its unstoppable flow. He shares parables, including one of a Himalayan rishi who learns his vast knowledge is but a handful of sand compared to the whole, and another of a yogi whose pride ruins his sādhanā. The key theme is that our limited time must be used for sincere practice and humility, lest it be lost.

Filming location: Strilky, Czech Republic

Om Śrī Alak Purījī Mahādev Kī Jai, Devādidev Deveśvar Dev Purīṣa Mahādev Kī Jai, Ārādya Bhagavān Śrī Dīp Nārāyaṇ Mahāprabhujī Kī Jai, Satguru Svāmī Madhavānājī Bhagavān Kī Jai. Our dear Gurudeva, Paramparā, bless us with good health, happiness, joy, and spiritual development. Please be seated and remain in your body—in the Maṇipūra, in Anāhata, in Viśuddhi, and in Ājñā Chakra. Gurudev, it is not me who is speaking. I am only an instrument. Please, you bless all of us. And with this, I again salute our Gurudevs. For all of us, good health, happiness, long life, spiritual development, and happiness. Om Śānti, Śānti, Śānti. What a beautiful evening. And we see that time constantly flows. In reality, there is no time. Who created time? Animals do not count it. Life in the ocean, they do not count. Who is counting? We humans made time. And it is good in some way, but it is said: this will also go. There is one good story told by Guruji. So, there is no time, but we are counting the time. Eight o'clock, this time eight o'clock. The sun was still shining. Not long ago, and still it will go; the sun goes more to the north. And day by day, it will become dark night. And similarly, day by day again, Sūrya Nārāyaṇa will go towards the south. So we are moving with it. That is something that humans count on. And if humans had not counted, then we would not have a day, month, and year, seconds and one o'clock. We have counted. So someone said, "O man, why are you counting? It does not belong to you." If it were yours, you could remain forever. Kdyby ti ten čas patřil, tak si ho můžeš nechat navždycky. What do we do from our birth until this moment? How much pārapañca do we commit? So we measure time. But it is said, O man, when you count the time, then you should be ready to know that time does not stop for itself. We count, but time does not count for us. It is a cycle moving according to the sun and then some planets, but they do not count us. But our knowledge, our buddhi, we know, and we are counting. Now, it does not matter how long we want to live. But still, you are not immortal. Many times Brahmā is said to be the creator, and that Brahmā is the giver of time and birth. Sometimes, many times, four days before, we had Kṛṣṇa's birthday. And the uncle of Kṛṣṇa, Kaṁsa, was saying, "I am immortal; no one can kill me, neither by fire, nor by water, nor by this, nor by that." But you know what happened? Time came; Kṛṣṇa, Bhagavān Kṛṣṇa came. And he said, "Now your time has come." Many, many things happened. Even Brahmā, Viṣṇu, and Śiva, they also have their time. In every yuga, they are changing their duty. So there is one Śiva who is different. That is a Swayambhū, and he became Swayambhū again in that sky. But still, their essence remains, and that is counted as the yugas. This has been counted in the Indian philosophies, and that is how the counting on this earth, and so, time to time, changes. Brahmā is the creator. But one day, the Brahmā will come back, maybe as a little ant. And an ant will become Brahmā. Do not say when. It is not like that, but time will bring it. So we cannot stop that time, and they were trying—the rākṣasas mostly. They want to stop everything. But not like this. Yes, we were grown in the womb of the mother. We were waiting for nine months. The baby came. We all were happy, and day by day we are growing. And again we go. It cannot stop. Okay, we are yogīs. We will have healthy food, healthy exercises, meditations, etc. But still, you cannot say that you will stay immortal. It is said there was one ṛṣi in the Himalayas, and he was in a cave on a very high rock, and he was meditating. One day, what happened? Someone gave him the Vedas, and this ṛṣi begins to read the Vedas. My God, this knowledge! Vācārtī and Lakṣārtī. Vācārtī means reading. And Vācārtī is the reader, and the other is in the heart meditating. Lakṣaṭī means my aim, to achieve my destination. So he was there for his destination, Dharmarāja, the god of justice. So, the Dharmarāja, he brings the good people who did good things, and Yamarāja? Rāmarājya is for those who were sinners. So there are two things. One is humans, and we do not know who is who. So one is a good, spiritual, humble, kind human, and the other is cruel. Every man has many things. So Dharmarāja is the God's kingdom. And Yamarāja is for what you call hell. Both, they have to have the time; they are counting. How much you have, how much they have. But both have to go. No one can stay forever on this earth. Our parents, our grandfathers, our ancestors, for this land—how many wars were here? How many humans were fighting? The European ground. Always was fighting, fighting,... as a king, and my kingdom, and my territory, etc. So, the Dharmarāja brings us to Mokṣa. But it is the heaven and the hell. It is just two hotels. But that Brahman, that is endless. Who knows if there is someone taking you to heaven or to hell. Everything is here. Good and bad, all will be. We have to live here. After Jīvā, where will it go? What will happen? So in this way, the ṛṣi in the Himalayas, he was hundreds and thousands of years meditating. That time, they had a long life and a very short life. Many died, and he killed them, and some... So, please, can we make the children go to sleep? Thank you. So that is what Dharmarāja said. And so Dharmarāja said, "Dharmarāja sent his messenger, 'Please go and respectfully bring this ṛṣi to heaven.'" So the messenger came, Deva, and said, "Gurudev, your time has come, and Dharmarāja is calling you." He said, "I just got about 500 years before the Vedas, and I want to read this. I want to learn." He is already sitting like this. Please go and tell the Dharmarāja, please tell God, "I want to learn, so give me more time." Okay? After some years, again Dharmarāja sent him and said, "Ṛṣimuni, praṇām. It is time for you to go now." So he said... Please tell Dharmarāja, I request, give me still time till I finish or read these Vedas well. What to do? When such a ṛṣi is so holy, then for him there is no sin and nothing bad. And even Dharmarāja cannot take him. Even if he said, "Brahmā will not take you." Because Brahmā will come, and he will say, "Please let me study my Vedas." I did not say to you that I will be forever, but I want to learn the knowledge. Okay, okay, okay. Now Dharmarāja goes to Brahmā and pleads, "Bhagavān Brahmā, please tell your son it is high time to come." So Brahmā said he would not give up. And he did not say, "I want to be forever." And he said, "Good, I want to learn wisdom." Please give me the time. But Bhagavān said, Brahmājī said, "Dharmarāja, there is only one chance that we can bring him to the Brahmaloka." What? Take your messenger, Dharmarāja. And show your messenger that ṛṣi, look, this Himalaya, how big it is. He said, "Yes, my holy Himalaya." Himalaya is endless. I want to see the Vedas. So the messenger said, "You see, God said, you should come to Brahmaloka. Yes, I will, but I must study everything." Then the messenger said, "Ṛṣi, please stand up." And fold both your hands. Open your palms, and look toward the Himalayas. And Dharmarāja made some miracle, so the storm came. Sand came from the Himalayas, and in his palms came some sand. The messenger said, "Rishi, what is in your hands?" Oh, this is just some sand. From where is it? It is from the Himalayas. Rishi, till now, what have you learned? It is only that much which was dust in your hands. But that knowledge is like a Himalaya. So how many ages and ages will you still not count the Himalayas? Rishi, please, you are a Himalaya. Now come to Brahmaloka. He said, "Is it really so much?" "Yes." "Then please, let us go." So both of them lifted up and came to Dharmarāja. Dharmarāja welcomed him and touched the feet of the ṛṣi. He said, "Ṛṣi, on my hands I am taking you to the Brahmaloka." And he said, "What will be there? How long will I stay?" He said, "Now we will become one, and therefore you are forever." Like a space, and so is life. So we are thinking, "I will do this. I will do this. I will fight with that. My land, my property. My this, my that," and all the times we are fighting, going here and there. And on the way, we die. So, there is the time. Time is nothing, and time is given for the humans, and the humans, because they should make spiritual sādhanā: do good, get good; do bad, do bad, you will get bad. Within, everything is in you. Do not be angry. There are so many people suddenly angry. It is very angering, and this anger is just like a matchstick. When you are a little bit angry, it was pressing, and the fire is there. That fire is burning us, so... There was one story which I told, but I will tell you once more. There was again another yogī who was meditating in the forest. For many, many years he made a sādhanā, and he wanted to be levitated. So there were the levitations. Our Devpurījī had a levitation. Our Devapurījī could go through the rock. We are going together, and we are coming to the rock. He goes in. Coming out somewhere else. There is no tunnel. So it is different between that and this. So that ṛṣi one day, while meditating and doing pranayama, was lifting about two meters, then three meters, because no animals and no one could touch him. So anytime he could levitate or come down. Now, that yogī, that yogī was someone who became so siddha. Now, as he said to himself, "Now I am the yogī, I am the siddha. Now I will go to the village. All will become my disciples. I will lift myself, levitate myself." And he was meditating. What happens? One little bird was sitting on some branch of the tree and made something on the head. Tilak. From that time, tilak began. And he said, "Who is that?" This little bird said, "I am." You spit it on my head, I give you a curse, you will die. The bird died, fell down. He was looking, yes, the bird is dead. Again, how much of the, what do we call it, pride. I am great, Yogī. I am levitating. And with my looking eyes, I can kill them, anyone. I am great. He went to one village, like a small village like Střílky. And outside, a little about 50 or 100 meters far, a water well. So, morning about 9 o'clock, one lady went to get the water from the water well, and Mahārāj jī came and he said, Sister, or Bhakta, please, can you give me water? He said, "Yes." What is your name? So he told his name. Do you remember which number Guruji said was the name of that person? Sītalpurī. We have here one Sītalpurī. But he is great. The other one was also great. What is your name? Sītalpurī. Sitalpuri means very humble, very humble. No anger, no jealousy. She was bringing water from the bucket. Mahārājī, what is your name? Sītalpurī. Again, she came to me with water. What is your name? Sītalpurī. Mahārājī, drink water. What is your name? Is a stupid woman. I told you how many times, I am a Sītālpūrī. Opposite to the Śītala means anger, jealousy, a stupid person. So she said, Mahārājī, you are not a śītala. You are a krodhī. Krodhī means anger. Sitalpuri said, "What are you talking about me? You stupid. You know me?" She said, "I know you. You are not Sitalpuri." He said, "You do not know." Then she said, "Mahārāj Jī, I am not that bird which you killed. From your looking, how do you know this?" Because my Gurudev gave me that knowledge, I have Trikāl Darśī. I am not that bird that you can kill me. Then she said, "Who did this?" Who told you this? Come to my house, I will tell you. Again he went for food. So that girl, she was sitting and serving the food to her husband. And Satal Puri said, please give me almožnu. She said, "Wait." After a few minutes, please give me food. He said, "Please wait." Again, he said, "I can burn you." She said, "He said, 'I am not that bird, and I know who you are near the water well.'" A ona říká: "Já nejsem takový ptáček a vím, jak to bylo u té studny." Please tell me, how is your sādhanā? A ona říká, prosím, řekni mi, co ty máš za sādhanā. She said, "I serve my husband. My husband is everything for me." First, my family: my birth, mother and father, brothers, sisters. But then we came together as husband and wife, so we are one. This is a sādhanā. Bābājī, go back to the forest. You know that you lost all your sādhanā. She said, "I can lift up." She said, "OK, lift." One little bird sits on him, and one little bird sits on his head, and he says, "There is something heavy on me." "No, it is a little tiny bird. She did not die yet. Now she is sitting on you. That is your ego. Go and practice." Similarly, it is said, time does not wait for anyone. So, whatever time we have, we shall do it. When it is gone, then it is gone. There is a doctor, a surgeon, the best who can do the operations, and when he has died, and we have his picture on the wall, we admire him, we see his big face, but now this photo, this picture, cannot teach us anything. But if we have learned from him, then you will see the picture of that doctor, and you will see it. Thank you. You gave me your knowledge, and I will give more knowledge to my many students. So use the knowledge. If utilized, it is good. Otherwise, it is lost. So, in these few days, this is the time for you. So, use it. So, one lady in New York, I think it was nearly 20 years ago, and there is also one of my disciples, she is also from Washington, our ashram, and her uncle, I think, is working in one disables children or something, or old, elderly people. So they said, "Please, Swamiji, you are in New York. Come and give some lecture to our elderly people in our elderly home." So there was one woman, she was 103 years old, and she was teaching yoga. She was living in that elderly house, and she showed me the āsanas, and she showed me one book. I think she gave me one book. And she said, "This all my master teaches me, yoga." And at that time, even Vivekānanda was not there. So there were yogīs there before. But Vivekananda was in the political realm, with the philosophy. Yoga, and so accepted him, something. Of course, Vivekananda was great. So, that lady took me into her room. We were sitting, and she saw me. I was admiring her. She said, "Swamiji, my master is not anymore, but my master said about yoga, 'You have yoga. Use it or lose it. You have yoga.'" Use it or lose it. This was my mantra, and so I was practicing. Till now, I am 103 years, I am still like this. And after a few years, she passed away. Similarly, you have here, so use it. Or lose it. This is Mahā Mantra, so that our program is beautiful, and time will not stay. Time will not wait for anyone. When we came here two weeks ago, the sun was still shining. And now it is going so quickly. We are sitting here, so it will come again, but we do not know where the day is. So we have here one mālā, one, how do you call the rope, and this rope is coming. Yes, and it is on the table. Slowly, slowly... time has come, and this is the platform of our life, and there is that rope of our life, and that rope means our breath. How long will the breath be there? So use it or lose it. Thank you, sir. Thank you, sir.

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